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 Post subject: Know thy mind
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:47 am 
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Mind is the wall between man and god , a quote from Ammabhagavan .

Most likely not their words originally but very simple truth all the same , yes ? , lsol

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And yet the opposite to your Conversations with God where we are told that the reason people listen to others tell them about God is so they don't have to THINK... which of course is done with the Mind.

So which one is truth? Do we look for our highest thought as told by God in CWG or do we see Mind as a barrier. :roll: :roll:


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I feel you lost yourself in that post or missunderstood CWG , could you try harder to explain what your trying to say please , lsol

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It is simple enough. I bet everyone else gets it.

Mind is the wall between man and god. Unless you are scared of god, that's not a good thing.

Conversations with God - God says that people who listen to others telling them stuff like God and spirit do it so they don't have to THINK because if they think and acknowledge their contact with god directly they will be responsible for it, so, and he's very clear on this, they cop pout by looking everywhere else for their thoughts and ideas.

So either your quote in the OP is a bit full of it or your belief in Donald Walsch is a bit thin because God is clearly telling you that Mind is important and only those running from truth look to others to do their thinking for them.

It's early on in the first book - maybe you skipped it looking for the parts where you are told what to think?


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Yes i am well aware of what you say regarding CWG , how does the wall have anything to do with that ? , lsol

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If our highest thought is god and one's mind known/clear ? , lsol

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 Post subject: Re: Know thy mind
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aianawa aianawa nui wrote:
Mind is the wall between man and god , a quote from Ammabhagavan .


Does this mean that I have to stop thinking to be able to communicate with god?


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Agartha wrote:
aianawa aianawa nui wrote:
Mind is the wall between man and god , a quote from Ammabhagavan .


Does this mean that I have to stop thinking to be able to communicate with god?


Pretty much I think that's what the OP's post is postulating. We over complicate things with technology, big words, ego, excessive reasoning, science, lucky charms. We are egotistical, scared, and directionless beings. We must satisfy our intiable urge to understand and conquer. It is not enough to take the wisdom of a leaf floating down stream to figure out how Earth works. We need tangible, applicable proof. The day we can assign a variable to God like some grade school algebraic equation is the day man will rise up and say "yep, we scientists were right, and you bible thumpers were dead wrong for believing in a being that orchestrated all this in the first place". Many believe that if you "let your guard down" as it were to resonate (or pray) with the Almighty is the day you should be fitted with a jacket and gently escorted into the padded room with a drool cup.

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The mind as obstacle... ok. So as I understand it, the struggle within the mind to resist experience, resist existence itself rather than accept and move on - this is how mind can be a wall. But anyone who truly overcomes obstacles knows that the obstacle was never an obstacle in the first place and became simply transformed into the Way. Therefore, the mind is the Wall and the Path to God.

Simple truths are not always complete truths, nest-ce pas?

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Lakota Instructions for Living

Friend do it this way - that is,
whatever you do in life,
do the very best you can
with both your heart and mind.

And if you do it that way,
the Power Of The Universe
will come to your assistance,
if your heart and mind are in Unity.

When one sits in the Hoop Of The People,
one must be responsible because
All of Creation is related.
And the hurt of one is the hurt of all.
And the honor of one is the honor of all.
And whatever we do effects everything in the universe.

If you do it that way - that is,
if you truly join your heart and mind
as One - whatever you ask for,
that's the Way It's Going To Be.

Passed down from White Buffalo Calf Woman


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 Post subject: Re: Know thy mind
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turn off the old mind, relax, and float downstream..


Sisu had a thread called "interested in spirituality?" a few months back and there included a link to an online book in the thread. I read about half the book. what stuck out for me was one chapter where the author mentioned that the intellect is the anti-Christ.

it made sense to me, in a way- I feel that spirituality and religion needs to rely in part on the unconscious, irrational elements of this Universe. we, unfortunately, see the word irrational and immediately give it a negative connotation, instead of it being the portion of life that balances out all of the rational aspects of life.

I think having a good grip on the intellect is as beneficial as having faith and hope in Creation. being able to trust and open your heart to the Universe is IMO the best way to come closer to it. attempting to explain spirituality, especially to people who cherish their intellect (egos) too much won't ever work.

I think there may be a higher aspect within all of us that allows us to experience Spirit. the mind keeps us in the 3rd dimension, living life, and experiencing this beautiful Planet.

I think anyone who can find God in Nature is a step ahead of most people in the 21st century. I use my mind to experience Nature and I am completely in love with it. and I do feel very spiritual when connecting to it. if the mind is separate from God, yet when we are surrounded by Nature, and can feel God in our awareness and awe of this beautiful Planet, is there really much separating us?

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 Post subject: Re: Know thy mind
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I do not understand why people consider the mind/consciousness to be different than the soul/spirit. I am quite certain that upon death there is still the energy of what people call the soul/spirit that goes on...to what...nobody knows for certain. But, if the mind/consciousness is separate and distinct of the soul/spirit, and is left behind upon death. How could the soul/spirit actually think or experience for that matter, how could it even exist without the mind. It just does not make any sense to even consider that the soul/spirit is anything but the mind/consciousness. They are the same things.

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 Post subject: Re: Know thy mind
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@Nanohurtz & Ainawa:
I was made with a mind, my mind is here to be used, to think, to analyse, etc.
If god wants to talk to me he/she will, my mind won't stop him/her because otherwise I wouldn't have been created with it.
God also doesn't need a religious man, being a priest, a rabbi, a imam etc, to talk to me through him and to talk to god for me.


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 Post subject: Re: Know thy mind
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Mind is the wall between God and man?How could this be so? Without our minds we cannot understand concepts, weigh what is right for us, what fits our hearts.
We are not all at the same stage of spiritual development.
And I completely understand that we love to debate each other here. At the same time we need to bear in mind that we all believe differently. What brings us peace is the most important factor.
Mine is a blend of Native American and Celtic. It fits me for this lifetime. It has fit me for past lifetimes. I have read Conversations With God and found some truths in the series. And what did not ring true in my mind and heart, I left behind. That is the way to learn and expand my fund of knowing. It was nothing that I did not know personally in my mind, heart and spirit. However it was comforting to see it in print. That does not mean that I have to discard all of those words if some do not ring true to me. Channels get interference; you lose a signal as you drive through the mountains or into a tunnel. The signal is not gone,it just isn't coming in clearly. Perhaps that is what happens when someone like Walsch channels. And perhaps I don't know the whole of the truth as he receives it. It simply means that what he writes that ring true for me I keep and the rest I do not.


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 Post subject: Re: Know thy mind
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Most people don't use their minds for much anyway, which is why there is so much religion in the world. :D OK, that's probably a little harsh - there are some reasonable religions around; there's... um... :)

Mind is no barrier to spirituality although I'd agree it is to Religion. Can't go being an earnest true believer and letting others do your thinking for you if you train and use your mind.

BUt let's not confuse the issue here - we are a sick society, one that has a wrong concept entirely about being only body and brain, where our development is seen as random chance and to have no higher purpose. Even of those not mired in the excesses and deadening effects of Religion, Mind is not necessarily being used well.

Mind, developed and tuned, is an excellent tool for all our purposes, including Religion. It's possible our entire point of being here at all is tied to learning to use our Mind, to discovering the processes that allow us to focus or go out of focus at appropriate times.

Mind IS a wall between Man and God - if by God you mean the limited and psychopathic God put forward by Religion. But to accept such a statement as some kind of truth without any modifiers shows a mind not working, and the desire to learn truths from others, which is exactly what the God in CWG (another set of truths accepted by the OP) says is a wrong way to live.

But Believers are full of such contradictions :lol: Use of an active and trained Mind might have pointed that out before posting and showing a lack of comprehension of the issue.

And to clarify, as I have said before, the issue is NOT Faith. The major Religions like to make faith equal to belief but they are different things. Faith is a higher order event and it allows modification as facts come along. Belief alters reality to fit the belief, even to the extreme where the rabid believer literally does not see facts. The two words are not interchangeable.


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