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I wish some official would tell us what hell it is. I really don't know what to believe. Maybe it's the conspiracy theorist in me, but I think the reason why no one has said anything is because it may actually be some type of threat. Any other time NASA would be bragging about discovering it and trying to put an American Flag on it.

The other videos I seen of it was always in a different place but usually near the side of the planet the sun was. It had to be like 20 mins later when I went to record it with a better camera and it was no longer visible. Looking at it in person it kind of looks like it was moving.

I just went to a different area now that sun is close to setting on the west coast, but it's kind of cloudy now. I can't wait till tomorrow morning. I'm gonna get up early.


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so rokku, this thing is plainly visible in the sky? and seen around phoenix and a few other places?
do you think maybe that is why there is no more u.s. space program, after today's launch?
it's true nasa always does like to beyonce- put a ring on it. that is odd.


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I have done A LOT of research on both sides of the scale regarding the existance of NIBIRU/PLANET X and I would like to provide what I discovered and learned regarding it.

I ALSO DISCOVERED SOMETHING WITHIN NASA'S OWN WEBSITE AND "HIDDEN DOCUMENTS" THAT MAY SHOW "WHAT THEY ARE REALLY HIDING FROM US"...

THIS IS A LITTLE LONG, BUT I HAVE PROVIDED MANY SOURCES FOR ADDITIONAL STUDY TO HELP THOSE DECIDE THE FINAL QUESTION: " IS NIBIRU REAL?

SO, HERE IT GOES....


Well, I began in the beginning as a believer until something within me told me to research the claims of Sitchin....

So, I read first of all, the actual contents of the Enuma Elish

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/enuma.htm


and then all of the ancient records of the Babylonians that I could find. I realized according to the actual ancient Babylonian writings, that Nibiru is not a planet as Sitchin had claimed, it is a "star" that creates a specific constellation that must have once appeared in ancient times. The constellation that contained the star "Nibiru" would change, sometimes it would include Jupiter, some times something else, always alternating. If you study precession of the equinoxes, you will understand that after the supposed "26,000 year cycle" is over, it can create a change in the position of all constellations, that in our life time we have not seen before, so what would have been seen then, we do not see now, and throughout the cycle, the north pole star changes within the backdrop of stars we can see.

http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Sprecess.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_precession_(astronomy)


There is absolutely no record of a 3600 year orbit regarding Nibiru and no mention of Nibiru when speaking of this time frame. The 3600 year periods that are mentioned within the Babylonian writings are a Babylonian designation for time within their mathematics, called a "Sar" (if you look it up yourself it takes you to a specific reference regarding the following:), it actually pertains most often, to the length of time their "ancient rulers lived and reigned" - type it in and you will see for your self.


There were no records of devastation regarding Nibiru, as Sitchin claimed occured "in the heavens" - within the writings of the Enuma Elish it speaks of Tiamat and Anu and various others who Sitchin supposes are planets when in fact they were actually people or "entities" of some sort, whether human, human/angel hybrid or angel I do not know, it goes back to the Antedeluvian Sumerian Kings list which is their list of Kings they worshipped as gods that lived before the flood - The mighty men of old, men of renown spoken of in the Bible in Genesis 6.



Here is what the records state:

Antediluvian Rulers


The following reigns were measured in Sumerian numerical units known as sars (units of 3600), ners (units of 600), and sosses (units of 60).[8]

Ruler Epithet Length of reign Approx. dates Comments

"After the kingship descended from heaven, the kingship was in Eridug. In Eridug, Alulim became king; he ruled for 28800 years."

Alulim 8 sars (28,800 years) 30th century BC or earlier

Alalngar 10 sars (36,000 years)
"Then Eridug fell and the kingship was taken to Bad-tibira."

En-men-lu-ana 12 sars (43,200 years)

En-men-gal-ana 8 sars (28,800 years)

Dumuzid, the Shepherd "the shepherd" 10 sars (36,000 years)
"Then Bad-tibira fell and the kingship was taken to Larag."

En-sipad-zid-ana 8 sars (28,800 years)
"Then Larag fell and the kingship was taken to Zimbir."

En-men-dur-ana 5 sars and 5 ners (21,000 years)
"Then Zimbir fell and the kingship was taken to Shuruppag."

Ubara-Tutu 5 sars and 1 ner (18,600 years)

"Then the flood swept over."

Excavations in Iraq have revealed evidence of localized flooding at Shuruppak (modern Tell Fara, Iraq) and various other Sumerian cities. A layer of riverine sediments, radiocarbon dated to ca. 2900 BC, interrupts the continuity of settlement, extending as far north as the city of Kish. Polychrome pottery from the Jemdet Nasr period (3000-2900 BC) was discovered immediately below the Shuruppak flood stratum.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_King_List

HOWEVER IN THE ENUMA ELISH, SITCHIN CLAIMED THAT IT WAS SPEAKING OF A WAR IN HEAVEN, BUT THERE IS AN ODD PORTION OF THE SEAL WHICH SPEAKS OF A WAR WAGED AGAINST THE INHABITANTS OF EARTH USING - MONSTERS AND THIS IS ALSO BACKED UP BY AN ANCIENT DOCUMENT KNOWN AS "THE BOOK OF JASHER" MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE.

IT STATES THAT THE "JUDGES AND RULERS" MIXED SPECIES OF ANIMALS TOGETHER TO "PROVOKE THE LORD" AND THE EARTH WAS CORRUPTED IN ITS WAYS BY BOTH "MEN AND ANIMALS":


"And their judges and rulers went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice, and the sons of men in those days took of the cattle of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of the animals of one species with the other, in order therewith to provoke the Lord; and God saw the whole earth was corrupted its ways upon earth, all men and all animals." - Jasher 4:18

HERE IS THE ACCOUND FOUND IN THE ENUMA ELISH:
And Tiamat harkened unto the word of the bright god, and said:
... shalt thou entrust! let us wage war!"
... the gods in the midst of...
... for the gods did she create.
They banded themselves together and at the side of Tiamat they advanced;
They were furious; they devised mischief without resting night and day.
They prepared for battle, fuming and raging;
They joined their forces and made war,
Ummu-Hubur [Tiamat] who formed all things,
Made in addition weapons invincible; she spawned monster-serpents,
Sharp of tooth, and merciless of fang;
With poison, instead of blood, she filled their bodies.
Fierce monster-vipers she clothed with terror,
With splendor she decked them, she made them of lofty stature.
Whoever beheld them, terror overcame him,
Their bodies reared up and none could withstand their attack.
She set up vipers and dragons, and the monster Lahamu,
And hurricanes, and raging hounds, and scorpion-men,
And mighty tempests, and fish-men, and rams;
They bore cruel weapons, without fear of the fight.
Her commands were mighty, none could resist them;
After this fashion, huge of stature, she made eleven [kinds of] monsters.
Among the gods who were her sons, inasmuch as he had given her support,
She exalted Kingu; in their midst she raised him to power.
To march before the forces, to lead the host,
To give the battle-signal, to advance to the attack,
To direct the battle, to control the fight,

THAT TO ME, DOES NOT SOUND LIKE A FIGHT "IN THE HEAVENS" BUT A MORE SPECIFIC ACCOUNT OF "HOW THE EARTH CORRUPTED ALL IT'S WAYS - BOTH "MEN AND ANIMAL" - HENCE, OUR DINOSAURS AND VARIOUS LEGENDS OF MYTH THAT WE "THINK" ARE JUST THAT.

NOW, regarding Nibiru, it is the 50th name of Marduk found in the Enuma Elish, The Fifty Names of Marduk, Tablet VIb - VII:

http://www.piney.com/EnumaSpeis6a7.html

It is a star that Marduk whom I believe is the Biblical Nimrod must have told his followers that He placed in the sky. This star joins with certain planets at certain times, along with the sun and the moon to make an unusual alignment in the sky. His followers believed that he made this alignment himself, because he was a "god".

There are several blank lines that could not be translated due to damage on the seal, but here is what that portion of the Tablet states regarding the name of Marduk as Nibiru:

(50) NEBIRU shall hold the crossings of heaven and earth;
Those who failed of crossing above and below,
Ever of him shall inquire.
Nebiru is the star... which in the skies is brilliant.
Verily, he governs their turnings,"' to him indeed they look,
Saying: "He who the midst of the Sea restlessly crosses,
Let 'Crossing' be his name, who controls... its midst.
May they uphold the course of the stars of heaven;
May he shepherd all the gods like sheep.
May he vanquish Tiamat; may her life be strait and short!...
Into the future of mankind, when days have grown old,
May she recede... without cease and stay away forever.'
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Because he created the spaces and fashioned the firm ground,
Father EnlIL called his name (50) 'LORD OF THE LAND."'
When all the names which the Igigi proclaimed, Ea had heard, his spirit rejoiced,
Thus: "He whose names his fathers have glorified,
He is indeed even as 1; his name shall be Ea.
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All my combined rites he shall administer; All my instructions he shall carry out!"
With the title "Fifty" the great gods
Proclaimed him whose names are fifty and made his
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way supreme.

Epilogue
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Let them be kept (in mind) and let the leader explain them."'
Let the wise and the knowing discuss (them) together.
Let the father recite (them) and impart to his son.
Let the ears of shepherd and herdsman be opened.
Let him rejoice in Marduk, the Enlil of the gods,
That his land may be fertile and that
he may prosper.
Firm in his order, his command unalterable,
The utterance of his mouth no god shall change.
When he looks he does not turn away his neck;
When he is angry, no god can withstand his wrath. Vast is his mind, broad his sympathy;
Sinner and transgressor will be con[founded] before him.
The teaching which the leader has voiced in his presence,
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(The few remaining lines are too fragmentary for translation.)
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From E. A. Speiser


THE TRUTH IS, NIBIRU IS MENTIONED "VERY LITTLE" IN THE ANCIENT BABYLONIAN TEXTS AND IF YOU READ THE ENUMA ELISH YOURSELF AND TRY TO SEE WHAT SITCHIN SAW IN IT - YOU WILL NOT SEE IT.


HIS CONCLUSIONS ARE SILLY AND NON-EXISTANT.

That is only the beginning... what he claims is a planet in Cylinder Seal VA243 is not and he cannot tell the difference between the Sumerian drawings of stars and their sun symbol.

http://www.michaelsheiser.com/nibirupage.htm

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/VA243/VA243.htm

http://www.2012hoax.org/

The major claim regarding Nibiru is that it comes every 3600 years. They claim the last time it came was 3600 years ago during the time of the Exodus - HOWEVER, 3600 years ago was 1588 B.C. and that was not the time of the Exodus, that was the reign of the Assyrian Empire - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1588_BC

THE MATH DOES NOT ADD UP, THE ANCIENT BABYLONIAN RECORDS DO NOT SUPPORT THIS IDEA - SO WHERE DID IT COME FROM? - THE MIND OF SITCHIN'S IMAGINATION.

Then there are the "double suns" seen in the sky - I ALSO SAW THEM FOR A WEEK BACK IN 2006 and I also believed I was seeing Nibiru or Planet X - UNTIL I came across the scientific anomaly of a "SUN DOG" and a "MOON DOG" that makes the same illusion in the sky, which has been seen every year for thousands of years all over the earth, and is documented in history as such - an illusion that the sun makes. it is called: a "parhelion" or in Greek it means: "beside the sun."

The following link shows several images of a "sun dog", some not familiar and some that look just like the "double suns" being perpetrated as being "Planet X/Nibiru" images:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=images+of+sun+dogs&qpvt=images+of+sun+dogs&FORM=IGRE


Then there is the Mayan 2012 calendar itself, which is not the only calendar they had and does not state that it is the end of the world. It would be no different then our 12 month calendar coming to an end - and a new calendar begins for a new year, so does their calendar. Besides that, the Mayans do not believe destruction comes at the end of this calendar, but a new cycle or beginning of something.

So if Nibiru is not really a planet and Sitchin's understanding of Babylonian star and sun symbols is confused and incorrect, then their is also no 12th planet and therefore WHERE'S THE PLANET X/NIBIRU THEORY? - IT DOES NOT EXIST, BUT IN THE MINDS OF PEOPLE THAT CIRCULATE MISINFORMATION, SPREAD RUMORS AND MAKE MONEY OFF OF THE UNLEARNED OR PEOPLE TOO BUSY TO STUDY FOR THEMSELVES. Try following all of the links to Nibiru/planet x - they lead in a big circle all joing one another and to no other "outside" sources "outside" this circle.

HOWEVER - I DID DISCOVER SOMETHING THAT NASA IS HIDING FROM US THAT IS FAR MORE SCARY THEN ANY PLANET OR OBJECT HEADED TOWARDS EARTH AND THIS "SOMETHING" ALIGNS UP PERFECTLY WITH BIBLICAL PROPHECY:

PLEASE FOLLOW THE FOLLOWING LINK IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT NASA KNOWS - THAT YOU DON'T


CLICK THE FOLLOWING LINK ON NASA'S WEBSITE:

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap071021.html

NOW, ONCE YOU ARE THERE, CLICK ON THE HIGHLIGHTED WORDS "BIG RIP", WHICH LEADS YOU TO ANOTHER WEBSITE SPONSORED BY THE CORNELL UNIVERSITY LIBRARY:

IT IS AN ARTICLE WRITTEN BY THREE SCIENTISTS IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICS AT CORNELL UNIVERSITY, SPONSORED BY NASA TO DO THE STUDY AND WRITE THE DOCUMENT ENTITLED:


Phantom Energy and Cosmic Doomsday
Authors: Robert R. Caldwell, Marc Kamionkowski, Nevin N. Weinberg
(Submitted on 25 Feb 2003)


http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0302506

HERE IS A "PREVIEW OF THE DOCUMENT" ON PAGE 3:


TABLE I: The history and future of the Universe with w =
−3/2 phantom energy.

Time Event
 10−43 s Planck era
 10−36 s Inflation
First Three Minutes Light Elements Formed
 105 yr Atoms Formed
 1 Gyr First Galaxies Formed
 15 Gyr Today
trip − 1 Gyr Erase Galaxy Clusters
trip − 60 Myr Destroy Milky Way
trip − 3 months Unbind Solar System
trip − 30 minutes Earth Explodes
trip − 10−19 s Dissociate Atoms
trip = 35 Gyrs Big Rip


rent upper limits to −w, this is unlikely. For w = −3/2,
the Milky Way will get stripped roughly 60 million years
before the Big Rip. Curiously, when this occurs the horizon
will still be ∼ 70 Mpc, so there may still be other
observable galaxies that we will also see stripped apart
(although given the time delay from distant objects, we
will see the Milky Way destroyed first). A few months
before the end of time, the Earth will be ripped from the
Sun, and ∼ 30 minutes before the end the Earth will fall
apart. Similar arguments also apply to objects bound by
electromagnetic or strong forces. Thus, molecules and
then atoms will be torn apart roughly 10−19 seconds
before the end, and then nuclei and nucleons will get
dissociated in the remaining interval. In all likelihood,
some new physics (e.g., spontaneous particle production
or extra-dimensional, string, and/or quantum-gravity effects)
may kick in before the ultimate singularity, but
probably after the sequence of events outlined above.
The end of structure, from cosmic, macroscopic scales
down to the microscopic, leads us to remark that our
present epoch is unique from the viewpoint that at no
other time are non-linear structures possible. When the
phantom energy becomes strong enough, gravitational
instability no longer works and the Universe becomes
homogeneous. Eventually, individual particles become
isolated: points separated by a distance greater than
3t(1+w)/(1+3w) at a time trip −t cannot communicate
before the Big Rip. Therefore, the dominance of the
phantom energy signals the end of our brief era of cosmic
structure which began when the non-relativistic matter
emerged from the radiation. In such a Universe, certain
cosmic questions have new significance. It is natural to
find ourselves — or more generally, non-linear structure
— living close to the onset of acceleration if the structure
is soon destroyed and the Universe does not survive
much longer afterwards [31]. A Big Rip renders the “why
now?”, or question of cosmic coincidence, irrelevant.



The current data indicate that our Universe is poised
somewhere near the razor-thin separation between phantom
energy, cosmological constant, and quintessence. Future
work, and the longer observations by WMAP, will
help to determine the nature of the dark energy. In the
meantime we are intrigued to learn of this possible new
cosmic fate that differs so remarkably from the re-collapse
or endless cooling considered before. It will be necessary
to modify the adopted slogan among cosmic futurologists

— “Some say the world will end in fire, Some say in ice”
[36] — for a new fate may await our world.

AND THIS WAS FOUND AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DOCUMENT:

Acknowledgments RRC thanks the UCSB KITP for
hospitality. This work was supported at Caltech by
NASA NAG5-9821
and DoE DE-FG03-92-ER40701, at
the KITP by NSF PHY99-07949, and at Dartmouth by
NSF grant PHY-0099543. NNWwas supported by a NSF
graduate fellowship.
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(1999).
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[9] Mason, B. S. et al., astro-ph/0205384 (2002).
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Lett. 80, 1582–1585 (1998).
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1851–1859

THAT IS WHAT THE SCIENTISTS BELIEVE MAY OCCUR ACCORDING TO "CURRENT DATA"

- WHAT CURRECT DATA DO THEY HAVE, THAT WE DO NOT? - SOMETHING IS DEFINATELY MISSING FROM THE MEDIA AND IT'S NOT A PLANET OR OBJECT HEADED OUR WAY AND ACCORDING TO THE REFERENCES MADE IN THIS DOCUMENT THEY HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT SINCE 1851.

NOW...

THIS IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS WHICH SUPPORTS IT:

"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness,

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."

-2 PETER 3:10-13


BUT, THAT IS ONLY MY BELIEF BASED UPON THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE FOUND, THE FINAL DECISION REGARDING THE EXISTANCE OF A NIBIRU BEING "PLANET X", IS UP TO THE READERS OF ALL THE INFORMATION THAT IS OUT THERE AND WHAT THEY DISCOVER.


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I don't have an opinion either way where Nibiru/Planet X is concerned, but I will say this: the footage Rokku shot is unlikely to be a sun dog. According the the link given by celestial frontier http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog , "Sundogs may appear as a colored patch of light to the left or right of the sun, 22° distant and at the same distance above the horizon as the sun,"

The object Rokku filmed was not at the same distance above the horizon as the sun.

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Ken McClellan wrote:
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There were no records of devastation regarding Nibiru


Actually, there is a very good record of the last pass of the Destroyer.
It appeared in March 1640 B.C., just a little over one Sar ago over the Med.
Bible ... Kolbrin ... the Ipuwer Papyrus ... Senmut's tomb ...
take your pick.

Your Book of Jasher places that pass of the Destroyer in the reign of a specific
Pharaoh -- Adikam/Menthesuphis Sefer HaYashar 77 So the
dates of Egyptologists might be off a couple of centuries. (Don't tell them.)

But doesn't your quote dovetail with the Kolbrin regarding the mix of man and beast?


Well, the records in the Ipuwer Papyrus do not state that the destruction that they endured and suffered was from an object in the sky, it only mentions what they experienced, but not from what source.

I own and have read the Kolbrin and there are no records that it is an ancient document that has existed for a long time other then what is claimed on the Culdian Trust website, it began circulation in 2006, shortly after the last doomsday prediction of Planet X did not occur in that same year. The person selling it, whom is only found on that website is a writer that supports his ability to combine multiple details from multiple things into stories and he is the only one who seems to know anything about the book, its history and origin.

Regarding the Bible, the phrase: "destroyer" is found 7 times in 7 verses, but it is not the same Hebrew or Greek word in all 7.

It is first mentioned in Exodus 12:23 which states:

Exd 12:23 For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians ; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel , and on the two side posts , the LORD will pass over the door , and will not suffer the destroyer 7843 to come in unto your houses to smite [you].

the hebrew lexicon word for "the destroyer" found in this verse is: Strong's H7843 - shachath

which carries the following meanings:

1) to destroy, corrupt, go to ruin, decay

a) (Niphal) to be marred, be spoiled, be corrupted, be corrupt, be injured, be ruined, be rotted

b) (Piel)

1) to spoil, ruin

2) to pervert, corrupt, deal corruptly (morally)

c) (Hiphil)

1) to spoil, ruin, destroy

2) to pervert, corrupt (morally)

3) destroyer (participle)

d) (Hophal) spoiled, ruined (participle)

In this verse in Exodus it is translated in such a fashion to make it appear as if "the destroyer" is a thing, however, this same hebrew lexicon word is also translated as:


Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 147 AV — destroy 96, corrupt 22, mar 7, destroyer 3, corrupters 2, waster 2, spoilers 2, battered 1, corruptly 1, misc 11

and is used completely different in many verses such as these which I highlighted the same hebrew word in the following:

Gen 6:11 The earth 776 also was corrupt7843 before 6440 God 430, and the earth 776 was filled 4390 with violence 2555.

Gen 6:12 And God 430 looked 7200 upon the earth 776, and, behold, it was corrupt7843 ; for all flesh 1320 had corrupted7843 his way 1870 upon the earth 776.

Gen 6:13 And God 430 said 559 unto Noah 5146, The end 7093 of all flesh 1320 is come 935 before me 6440; for the earth 776 is filled with 4390 violence 2555 through them 6440; and, behold, I will destroy7843 them with 854 the earth 776.


So, it cannot be "a thing" or "object", but the action of destruction or corruption.

Not to mention, this VERY SPECIFIC hebrew word translated in Exodus when refering to the plagues, is NOT A NOUN

it's A VERB:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H7843&t=KJV


HERE ARE THE OTHER INSTANCES OF VERSES WHICH HAVE THE PHRASE "DESTROYER" IN THEM AND YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THEY ARE NOT THE SAME HEBREW WORD IN ALL THE INSTANCES:

Jdg 16:24 And when the people 5971 saw 7200 him, they praised 1984 their god 430: for they said 559, Our god 430 hath delivered 5414 into our hands 3027 our enemy 341, and the destroyer 2717 of our country 776, which slew 2491 many 7235 of us.

Strong's H2717 - charab
1) to be waste, lay waste, make desolate, be desolate, be in ruins

a) (Qal) to be waste, be desolate

b) (Niphal)

1) to be made desolate

2) desolate (participle)

c) (Hiphil) to lay waste, make desolate

d) (Hophal) to be laid waste

2) to be dry, be dried up

a) (Qal) to be dried, be dried up

b) (Pual) to be dried

c) (Hiphil) to dry up

d) (Hophal) to be dried up

3) to attack, smite down, slay, fight

Part of Speech
verb
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H2717&t=KJV


Job 15:21 A dreadful 6343 sound 6963 [is] in his ears 241: in prosperity 7965 the destroyer 7703 shall come 935 upon him.

Strong's H7703 - shadad
1) to deal violently with, despoil, devastate, ruin, destroy, spoil

a) (Qal)

1) to violently destroy, devastate, despoil, assail

2) devastator, despoiler (participle) (subst)

b) (Niphal) to be utterly ruined

c) (Piel)

1) to assault

2) to devastate

d) (Pual) to be devastated

e) (Poel) to violently destroy

f) (Hophal) to be devastated

Part of Speech
verb
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H7703&t=KJV



Psa 17:4 Concerning the works 6468 of men 120, by the word 1697 of thy lips 8193 I have kept 8104 [me from] the paths 734 of the destroyer 6530.

THIS ONE IS A NOUN, HOWEVER, FURTHER STUDY SHOWS IT IS USED TO SPEAK OF "PEOPLE" WHO MURDER OR ROB OTHERS, HENCE A "VIOLENT MAN".

Strong's H6530 - pĕriyts
1) violent one, breaker

a) robber, murderer

Part of Speech
masculine noun
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H6530&t=KJV


Pro 28:24 Whoso robbeth 1497 his father 1 or his mother 517, and saith 559, [It is] no transgression 6588; the same [is] the companion 2270 of a destroyer 376 7843.

THE SMALL LEXICON NUMBER "376" IS NOT TRANSLATABLE IN ENGLISH AND IS USUALLY ADDED WITH ANOTHER WORD. AND IN THIS CASE IT IS ADDED WITH THE SAME LEXICON WORD FOUND IN THE FAMOUS EXODUS PASSAGE
Strong's H7843 - shachath,

WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY DETERMINED IS A VERB, NOT A NOUN WHICH IS A "PERSON, PLACE OR THING".

Jer 4:7 The lion 738 is come up 5927 from his thicket 5441, and the destroyer 7843 of the Gentiles 1471 is on his way 5265; he is gone forth 3318 from his place 4725 to make 7760 thy land 776 desolate 8047; [and] thy cities 5892 shall be laid waste 5327, without an inhabitant 3427.


HERE AGAIN, WE HAVE THE SAME HEBREW WORD Strong's H7843 - shachathFOUND IN EXODUS ALSO IN THIS VERSE, BUT LIKE I SAID, IT IS A "VERB", NOT A NOUN.

IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TRANSLATED AS "THE DESTROYER", BUT AS TO DESTROY OR "TO BRING DESTRUCTION" AND THE SUBJECT OR "NOUN" IN THIS VERSE IS "THE LION". AND IN EXODUS THE SUBJECT OR NOUN THAT "BRINGS DESTRUCTION" IS "THE LORD" - NOT AN OBJECT FROM SPACE OR THE HEAVENS.


1Cr 10:10 Neither 3366 murmur ye 1111, as 2531 some 5100 of them 846 also 2532 murmured 1111, and 2532 were destroyed 622 of 5259 the destroyer 3644.

AND IN THIS CASE, IT IS THE ONLY VERSE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT WHICH MAKES REFERENCE TO THE EVENTS OF THE EXODUS, AND THE GREEK WORD FOR "THE DESTROYER" IN THIS VERSE IS:

Strong's G3644 - olothreutēs
1) a destroyer

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3644&t=KJV

AND IT IS A "MASULINE NOUN" - HOWEVER OTHER VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE HAVE IT TRANSLATED AS "DESTROYING ANGEL", WHICH WOULD EXPLAIN WHY IT IS A NOUN.

NLT - 1Cr 10:10 - And don't grumble as some of them did, and then were destroyed by the angel of death.
© Info: - New Living Translation © 2007 Tyndale House Foundation


NIV - 1Cr 10:10 - And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.


HOWEVER, IT COMES FROM THE GREEK WORD:

Strong's G3645 - olothreuō
WHICH MEANS:

1) to destroy
AND THAT WORD ALSO IS "A VERB".

BUT THAT WORD IN TURN COMES FROM THE GREEK WORD:
Strong's G3639 - olethros

WHICH CARRIES THE FOLLOWING WORD THAT SOUNDS LIKE A VERB, BUT IS ALSO STRANGELY A NOUN:


From a primary ollumi (to destroy, a prolonged form)

1) ruin, destroy, death

a) for the destruction of the flesh, said of the external ills and troubles by which the lusts of the flesh are subdued and destroyed





IF ALL THE REFERENCES THAT SPEAK OF THE EVENTS OF THE EXODUS REFER TO THE DESTROYER AS BEING A "VERB", THEY SHOULD BE TRANSLATED RATHER AS "TO DESTROY", AND TO BE QUITE FRANK, THE TRANSLATION IS "NOT CORRECT" AND THIS IS THE ONLY BASIS FOR THE SUPPORT OF THE KOLBRIN AS BEING "ANOTHER" ACCOUNT OF THE EVENTS IN THE BIBLE.

DON'T YOU SEE, THIS IS WHERE THE IDEA OF "THE DESTROYER" CAME FROM IN THE KOLBRIN. MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT PHRASE WAS IN THE BIBLE. NOW, IF IT ISN'T ACTUALLY A OBJECT OR NOUN IN THE BIBLE, BUT AN "ACTION" WORD, THEN WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE KOLBRIN IS PLAGARIZED BY THE MAN CLAIMING TO KNOW ALL ABOUT IT - HE APPARENTLY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE WORD IS A VERB IN THE BIBLE, NOT A NOUN OR "THING".

THERE ARE NO OTHER ANCIENT WRITINGS WHICH USE THIS PHRASE AT ALL.

AND THE KOLBRIN'S SUPPOSED ACCOUNT OF THE DESTROYER, IS NOT WHAT IS MEANT IN THE BIBLE IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE, THE KOLBRIN WAS BASED UPON A MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY WERE READING IN THE ENGLISH, WHICH APPEARS TO SAY ONE THING, BUT IS REALLY SAYING SOMETHING ELSE IN THE HEBREW.

REGARDING Senmut's tomb, THAT IS ONE OF THE "CONSTELLATIONS" MADE BY THE "STAR" NIBIRU ( OF THE BABYLONIANS) AS i STATED ABOVE.

THE PRECESSION OF THE EQUINOXES MADE DIFFERENT CONSTELLATIONS THROUGHOUT TIME - FOR GOD STATED THE FOLLOWING:

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:" - GENESIS 1:14

GOD ALWAYS GAVE OMENS BEFORE "HE" BROUGHT UPON THE EARTH EVENTS:

"Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them." - JEREMIAH 10:2


HE DID IT THEN AND HE WILL DO IT AGAIN.

"And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;" -(LUKE 21:25)

BUT IT IS STILL GOD THAT MAKES IT HAPPEN, NOT "A THING" THAT IS "THE CAUSE" OF IT.

CLAIMING AN OBJECT BRINGS THE DESTRUCTION AND IS THE CAUSE, TAKES POWER AWAY FROM GOD AND IS MORE OF A "SCIENTIFIC" EXPLANATION FOR WHAT HAPPENED IN THE EARTHS PAST, RATHER THEN PLACING THE POWER AT GODS DISPOSAL.

IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD, THEN YOU HAVE TO STOP USING THE BIBLE AS A REFERENCE FOR THE THEORY, BECAUSE THE TWO DO NOT MIX.

GOD IS THE FORCE AND THE POWER, NOT THE THINGS HE MADE.

GOD DOES NOT WORK ON CYCLES OF EVENTS, WHEN THEY HAPPEN YOU WILL RECEIVE AN OMEN FIRST AND NO ONE CAN PREDICT WHEN HE WILL BRING WHAT FOLLOWS IT.

GOD PREDICTS, PLACES, NAMES AND EVENTS, BUT NOT THE TIME OR DATE WHEN THEY HAPPEN - NOT ONCE WILL YOU FIND THAT IN THE BIBLE.

YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PREDICT WHEN THE EVENTS OF REVELATION WILL OCCUR - NO ONE WILL.

THIS I ASSURE YOU OF.

THIS IS MY PREDICTION FOR ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN THIS THEORY -


THE DATES PREDICTED WILL COME AND GO AND "NOTHING WILL HAPPEN" AS THEY PREDICTED, AND PEOPLE WILL BEGIN TO GET "FED UP" WITH PREDICTIONS AND PROPHECY, MOST DEFINATELY THOSE IN THE BIBLE. THEY WILL FALL AWAY AND CONTINUE AS THEY ALWAYS HAVE, BUT THIS TIME BELIEVING THAT THE "OLD BELIEF SYSTEM" WAS "FOOLISH" AND "SILLY" AND IN THE "NEW AGE" PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE THAT THIS LIFE IS ALL THERE IS AND THAT "THEY" ARE THEIR OWN GODS. AND WHEN YOU ARE YOUR OWN GOD, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR DOOMSDAYS AND PREDICTIONS, PROPHETS AND PROPHECIES AND THEY WILL IGNORE ALL THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO WARN THEM. AND WHEN THIS TIME ARISES AND ITS RULERS REIGN - THEY WILL HAVE FORGOTTEN WHAT GOD PREDICTED AND THE EARTH CHANGES WILL CONTINUE TO BECOME WORSE AND WORSE WITHOUT ANY APPARENT CAUSE FOR WHY, AND HE WILL CONTINUE TO SEND OMENS AND A STRANGE CONSTELLATION WILL APPEAR BEFORE WHAT FOLLOWS, THEN A MIRACULOUS EVENT WILL COME FROM OUT OF HEAVEN THAT "DOES NOT AT FIRST, BRING DESTRUCTION".

THEY WILL HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT FOLLOWS, NOR WILL THEY SEE IT COMING, OTHER THEN THE SIGNS - WHICH THEY WILL IGNORE.

THEY WILL SAY PEACE AND SAFETY AND THEN SUDDEN DESTRUCTION AND THEY WILL NOT ESCAPE WHAT FOLLOWS.


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Yes I'm a bit confused too, I have seen a couple of tyhe youtube vids and they seem to focus on something that is right next to the sun. So if it is there why is it next to the sun and why is it only visible in the daytime? I'm not doubting you seeing something, I just think that if it was just a comet etc we would be able to see it at night??

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Nice and very informative entries by both Ken and our new member, Celestialfrontier. I enjoyed reading both points and counterpoints. Ken, you've got to admit, we finally have a "debunker" who relies on far more than just name-calling to support his position, and I appreciate someone who backs opinion with cold hard data rather than mindless blathering as most other naysayers have done. Me? Hell, I still haven't taken a solid position on this Nibiru question, although I'm leaning against there being any validity to it. It just seems to me that if it was a reality we would be able to actually visually detect the approach of this rogue planet/comet/asteroid by now, given that 2012 is just a short time away. While it is true there is a NOTICEABLE increase in weird activities on the planet (earthquakes, storms, etc.), this could be attributable to lots of other ancillary sources outside an onrushing planet. Even though I'm becoming more and more of a doubter regarding the infamous Nibiru, I still keep my peepers and mind wide open because if I've learned anything in life it's never say never.

Good job, guys. Your entries were excellent. :wink:

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Very good posts.

When I need decisions I rely on my gut......or intuition.....it's telling me that Ken is correct......

What we need is a well researched reply from Ken....which I know he already has.

A well researched reply requires a good deal of time....I hope Ken has some.

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Ken McClellan wrote:
Well, you certainly will win the prize for most dedicated debunker!
In the meantime, enjoy the increase in earthquakes, volcanoes,
landslides, national disasters, crops ruined, climate refugees, etc.

Let's see, we are halfway through the year. Last year was FEMA's
worst year ever with 81 national disasters. So we should be well
below 40 so far this year, right?

So what does the website say?
http://www.fema.gov/news/disaster_totals_annual.fema
50!

God made sure every nation had a piece of the puzzle. We have the myths to
interpret astronomically. We have the scriptures to interpret symbolically. We
have ancient Egyptian texts to interpret genetically. We have Sumerian texts
to interpret scientifically. And you can spend your time parsing words and
calling that analysis or you can open your mind to the idea that He did his very
best to tell you what to expect and when.


February 28th was the 2nd coming of The Word. First was February 27th of last year.
Then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn.
Well we were too stupid to notice!!!
One day later, there was a Star and Crescent (Venus-Moon conjunction) over Mecca!
We were too stupid to notice!
March 5-6, there was a sign of the Maya (their equivalent of the Word) with a conjunction of
Venus-Sun-Mars and Mercury-Moon-Jupiter in Aquarius -- above Goddess Ixchel and the God Hurricane.
Again, we were too stupid to notice!
The Maya gave us a timeframe in the first and last illustrations of the Dresden Codex as to when to expect the Flood.
The first was that conjunction March 5-6, 2011 and the second was December 21st, 2012.
By the way, that latter date is when the Maya said the Council of God, the Bolon Yukte K'u is due to return!
Jesus said by the time you reach summer of the time of the end, you're almost there.
When [the fig tree's] branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

My baby fig tree in the back yard has sprouted leaves and I see a fig growing on it!
He said This generation (Age of the Zodiac) shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
The vernal equinox Sun has not yet passed from Pisces, but the first signs of The Word in Aquarius have been given.
Two remain and will be complete within the next 12 years.

Mostly, he warned us to pay attention to the signs rather than be caught by surprise:
When ye see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway ye say, "There cometh a shower" and so it is. And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, "There will be heat" and it cometh to pass. Ye hypocrites! Ye can discern the face of the sky and of the Earth, but how is it that ye do not discern this time? Luke 12:54-56

Well, we are almost there. And it doesn't matter if it's a sun flare or the Destroyer or the Giant or the Red Dragon or Comet Elenin. We have a little time to get things right with our families, with our selves, with the poor and with the Creator of All. If we can do that, we graduate!

The Cross is about to ascend in the heavens as Crux replaces Draco. And if you will take a look at your astronomy software, you will find a Cross in the heavens was the sign of Moses 3,650 years ago -- made from a conjunction of Venus, Mercury, the Sun and Moon in the Lamb of God -- arriving with the Angel of Death at the very second the month of Nisan began. He so enjoys foreshadowing devices! Too bad we're too busy eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage to take notice ...


I agree that God gave to us the signs to look for so that we would know where we are in Bible prophecy, but we are not as near as people think and Jesus outlined the signs we were to look for as follows:


I can list them or you can answer within yourself: "Do you believe we are presently in the Tribulation Period?"

If you do, then the destructions from the heavens ARE INDEED UPON US.

But, as bad as things are looking for our earth, I do not believe that "THIS" is the tribulation spoken of,

for Jesus said:

"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." - MATTHEW 24:21,22

The tribulation that Jesus is speaking of IS NOT the wrath of God - which IS THE DESTRUCTIONS FROM THE HEAVENS.

Jesus is speaking of a certain period of days that constitutes "The tribulation period" as being seperate then "God's Wrath".

He first states the following happens, which is where we are RIGHT NOW - "THE BEGINNING OF SORROWS":

"And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places[/color].

All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
-Matthew 24:6-13

HOWEVER, THIS IS THE SIGN THAT COMES BEFORE THE TRIBULATION OF THE BEAST AND FALSE PROPHET mentioned in Revelation, THESE VERSES ARE NOT SPEAKING OF THE DESTRUCTION BY ROME IN 70 A.D.:

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. " -Matthew 24:15-21

AND AFTER THIS TIME, JESUS SAYS THE FOLLOWING WHICH IS OUR CLUE THAT IMPENDING DOOM IS NEAR TO FOLLOW, but "AFTER" THE TRIBULATION OF A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF DAYS:


"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. -Matthew 24:29-31



IF YOU LINE UP ALL THE PROPHECIES YOU WILL KNOW WHEN VERSE: 24:29 OCCURS IN THE OUTLINE OF REVELATION:

HERE IS THE VERSE THAT SPEAKS OF THE DESTRUCTION FROM HEAVEN "AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS":


"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

AND REVELATION TELLS US "WHEN THIS HAPPENS":

"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? -REVELATION 6:12-17



BUT WORMWOOD IS NOT A SEAL, IT IS A TRUMPET AND THE SEALS COME FIRST.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY JESUS TOLD US THAT THE SUN IS DARKENED AND THE MOON TURNS TO BLOOD "AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS" - NOT BEFORE THEM.

WE ARE ACTUALLY GIVEN A FEW VERY SPECIFIC SIGNS THAT OCCUR DIRECTLY BEFORE THE TRUMPETS OF REVEALTION OCCUR BEFORE THE 7TH SEAL IS OPENED, AND THEY ARE:


#1. THERE IS AN EARTHQUAKE
#2 THEN THE SUN IS DARKENED
#3. THE MOON TURNS TO BLOOD



Rev 6:12 ¶ And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

AND THIS IS SUPPORTED BY TWO OTHER VERSES WHICH STATE THIS ALSO HAPPENS BEFORE THE WRATH OF GOD OCCURS:

Joe 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

AND AGAIN AFTER THE 7TH SEAL IS OPENED THESE OCCUR AS A SECOND SIGN BEFORE THE WRATH BEGINS:

#1: VOICES
#2: THUNDERINGS
#3: LIGHTNINGS
#4 AN EARTHQUAKE

"And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast [it] into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound." -REVELATION 8:5,6

AND IT IS AFTER "ALL THOSE SIGNS OCCUR -FIRST" THAT THE TRUMPETS BEGIN TO SOUND AND WORMWOOD IS ON TRUMPET NUMBER 3:

"And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.


And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
-REVELATION 8:6-13


ALL OF THOSE THINGS MUST HAPPEN 1ST BEFORE WORMWOOD AND THE OTHER HEAVENLY DESTRUCTIONS COME AND - NOT BEFORE THEN.

THERE MUST BE A TRIBULATION OF A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DAYS THAT HAPPEN AFTER YOU SEE THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION SET UP IN THE HOLY PLACE OF JERSUSALEM AND THEN THERE ARE EXACTLY 2 EARTHQUAKES AND THE SUN AND MOON TURN RED AS BLOOD BEFORE THE TRUMPETS SOUND AND WORMWOOD COMES.

WE CAN BE POSITIVE THAT THE SEALS ARE FIRST, THEN THE TRUMPETS:

Rev 8:1 ¶ And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

Rev 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast [it] into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

Rev 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

SO HERE IS THE POSITION THAT THE BELIEVERS OF NIBIRU MUST TAKE:

IF YOU BELEIVE THE NIBIRU/PLANET X THEORY IS REAL AND THE DOOM IS ANY DAY NOW...

THEN YOU ARE STATING THAT THE WRATH OF GOD COMES "BEFORE" THE TRIBULATION - WHICH HAS CERTAINLY NOT COME AS OF YET,

SEEING AS WE ARE ALL STILL SITTING HERE ABLE TO TYPE ON COMPUTERS AND HAVE THE LUXURIES THAT WE HAVE, DESPITE THE EARTH CHANGES WE ARE ONLY "BEGINNING" TO EXPERIENCE.

OR YOU HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE SIGNS GIVEN TO US AND THE ORDER OF THEIR PROPHECIES IN THE BIBLE
WHICH OUTLINE THE WAY IT GOES

AND THEY STATE THAT THE SORROWS COME FIRST WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE NOW, THEN THE TRIBULATION AND THEN THE WRATH OF GOD AND DESTRUCTION FROM THE HEAVENS.

OF COURSE EVERYONE'S VIEW IS THEIR OWN.

I BELIEVE THE ORDER OF PROPHECY IN THE BIBLE, NOT THE WISDOM OF THE WORLD.

THAT IS MY POSITION ON THE SUBJECT, BECAUSE DESPITE ALL THE RATTLINGS OF "SUPPOSED WISDOM" ON THE SUBJECT OF NIBIRU AND THE CLAIMS OF MILLIONS THAT IT IS SOON APPROACHING AND "THEY HAVE PROOF": -

JESUS FOREWARNED US OF THIS:



" For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Behold, I have told you before " -MATTHEW 24:24,25

AND I ASSURE YOU THAT ALL THE PEOPLE IN ALL THEIR WISDOM FROM SOURCES OUTSIDE OF GODS WORD - IS FALSE AND YOU ARE BEING LED ASTRAY BY IT:

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where [is] the wise? where [is] the scribe? where [is] the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, [are called]:

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, [yea], and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

That no flesh should glory in his presence."
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We have more pressing issues at hand, other than getting side tracked into worrying about Nibiru. I'm calling Nibiru a diversion tactic by TPTB. :wink:

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