I measured the angles of that X - can do it again later but the actual angles from the horizontal were approx ~38, 41+, ~43 and ~39 - doesn't sound like much but there is no way a draftsman would get them even that little bit wrong.

Add in to that all the other discrepancies in triangles etc. and it seems clear there is an underlying reason for such errors.

Ok what is it "pointing" at now (not sure which view/angle you are starting from on each picture) don't worry i won't keep on this issue as to be fair it is off topic but the OP hasn't posted for a while and imho the Vatican would be as good a place as any to hide an old document showing the orbital path of Nibiru....... And i always though the place looking like a large key from above was suspect.

AND don't they have quite a large telescope there?....... To keep a GOOD look out for any "space oddities" though don't worry i will not mention the matter again after this post but have to say this thread is really interesting and i will refrain from any "off topic" banter after this.

EDIT: Have to say my 50 degree and 40 degree IS off but like i said it's hard by the time i have zoomed the picture somewhat it becomes very aliased (jaggy) and is hard to view correctly

Thanks.

But i have to agree with you Acolyte no way a professional draftsman (which im guessing you would HAVE to be to do things of this nature) would make all these errors....... Seems "fishy" to say the least. Alas my poor Maths skills don't really allow me any scope to work through the problem BUT i'm hoping people who could actually understand what they were taught at school can see the "wood from the trees" .

Thanks.

Ok REALLY going out on a limb here but i figured i would find out some more about the numbers Acolyte had found in the angles on the note (Numerology wise) 38 41 43 39.

This is what i found out by Googling Numerology (insert number).

Quite a read mind AND may be useful AND MY ALSO BE USELESS if so forgive the post if nothing can be gleaned from it (it's a copy/paste mind so may not be set out right ):

Properties of the number 38
Symbolism

Referring to the man cured by Jesus at the pool of

Bethesda who was infirm since 38 years (Jn 5,5), saint

Augustin makes of this number the symbol of the

sickness.

J. Boehme sees there "Lucifer, the will of the

Devil".

Represent the principle of the cosmic or celestial

life.

Represent "the ratio of the individual initiation to

the cosmic organization, kind of differentiation

resulting from an effort of initiative - 3 + 8 = 11; 1 +

1 = 2", according to R. Allendy.

General

Among the 49 appearances of Christ to Dozule to a

mother of family, 38 times the Son of the Man appears to

her directly to entrust to her a particular message.

The magic squares named "panmagic squares" and that,

for Edouard Lucas, we name generally diabolic, have

surprising properties: the sum of numbers taken on the

partial diagonals equal the magic number. Moreover, if

we cut out the square following a line or a column, and

that we reconstitute it by putting pieces differently

(but without to invert lines and columns) it remains

magic. Here is an example of this magic square whose sum

gives 38:

2 15 5 16
9 12 6 11
14 3 17 4
13 8 10 7

Occurrence

The number 38 is used 5 times in the Bible.

In the Bible, 38 numbers appear both under their

ordinal and cardinal form.



Properties of the number 41
Symbolism

According to R. Allendy, "it is the principle of the

individuality, 1, appearing in cosmic mutations, 40. It

is the individuality of the being incarnated in the

physical life (...). It is the reverse of 14, it shows

the principle of the periodic mutations in the cosmic

individuality. In the 14, the cycle is in the

individual; in 41, the individual is in the cycle".

Represent the "Son, the eternal Word", according to

J. Boehme.

General

According to the visions of Mary Agreda, when

Joseph, the saint husband of the Virgin Mary, died, she

was 41 years and 6 months old approximately.

Occurrence

The number 41 is used 5 times in the Bible.

The word mortal is used 41 times in the Bible.



Properties of the number 43
Symbolism

According to R. Allendy, "while 34, even, expresses

the static influence of the cycle on the cosmic

organization, its reverse 43, odd, has to express the

dynamic influence of the organization - or the free

activity - which is 3, on the permanent mechanism of the

cosmic cycles, 40".

Gematria

The numerical value of Hebrew words HLE meaning to

be sick, GIL meaning joy, and LBIA meaning lion, gives

each one 43.



Properties of the number 39
Symbolism

According to R. Allendy, this number represents "the

organization and the solidarity of the Cosmos, being

expressed by the harmony of the relations between the

parts - 3 + 9 = 12. As triple thirteen, it is the

individual initiative, nonfortuitous, but organized and

harmonized".

Bible

Saint Paul declares that by five times he received

the lashes by the Jews. (2 Co 11,24)

In the Bible of Ostervald, the Old Testament has 39

books.

General

According to some sources, there would have been 39

antipopes in the history of the Catholic Church.

The rosary of saint Michael archangel possesses 39

grains. The prayer of the Ave Maria is told 27 times and

the Our-Father 13 times. The grains of the rosary are

subdivided in 9 sections referring to the 9 choruses of

the angels. This archangel has always been represented

by the Church as a powerful warrior combating Satan and

his fallen angels. This rosary says to us that in his

fight against the forces of the Evil, saint Michael

counts on the assistance of 9 choruses of the angels to

achieve the victory, and also by the intercession of the

Virgin Mary, called the Queen of Angels.

The 39 articles which to be part of the documents

containing the foundations of the doctrine of the

Anglican Church.

The 39 types of works forbidden during the Sabbath,

according to the Mishna (documents of the rabbinical

Judaism and Pharisees): to sow, plow, reap, put in

sheaves, to beat the grain, to winnow, to sift, grind,

sieve, to knead, cook, mow the wool, to whiten it, to

card it, to dye it, spin, to warp, to make two points,

to weave two wires, to unpick two wires, to link, untie,

sew two points, to tear with the intention to sew two

points, to hunt the deer, to slaughter it, to divest it,

to salt it, work its skin, to depilate it, to carve it,

write two letters, to erase in the intention to write

two letters, to build, demolish, extinguish, light,

forge to the hammer, to carry from an area to another.

Always according to the Mishna, when an individual

transgressed the laws, it had to receive 39 blows of

whips.

The rosary of the Precious Blood of Christ has 39

grains. The prayer of the Our-Father is told 33 times

and the Glory to the Father 7 times. The seven meditated

mysteries are the following:
The circumcision
The agony
The flagellation
The crowning of thorns
The climbing to the Calvary
The crucifixion
The blow of lance

It is the number of weeks of gestation of the woman.

Gematria

The Hebrew word Amen, gives as numerical value 39 =

1+13+25 by using the gematria in "n", that is to say 3

times 13. Amen is well one of the divine Names (the

truth name of the Christ) as specified by Isaiah 65,16

(in the NRSV) confirmed by the Revelation 3,14.

By using the correspondence a=1, b=2, c=3, ...,

z=26, we find that the name of "God" in French ("Dieu")

gives 39 as numerical value.

The numerical value of the Hebrew word IEVE AHD,

meaning "God is One", gives 39.

Occurrence

The number 39 is used 4 times in the Bible.

In the Bible, 9 numbers are multiple 39, and the sum

of their occurrence gives 13.

The number 7, written in its cardinal form, is used

by 39 different books in the Bible.

The words mischievousness and impurity are used 39

times in the Bible.

Thanks.

Could this be related, perhaps as a sort of cipher?

The number of stars included here equal 52, the divine number of Egyptian Thoth, Sumerian Ningishzidda and Mayan Quetzalcoatl

In the upper portion, surrounding a set of balances is 22 stars. In the center portion, 13 stars point up. Below, 17 stars and a key. This seal is surrounded by 40 points, the divine number of Ningishzidda's father, Enki, the Serpent.

Is is coincidence that Lady Britannia's encompassing pattern contains 20, exactly half that? Or that the Machinist Union uses the same 40 points in their logo's cog background? I'm sure you'll notice the masonic semblance as well.



The seal on the front of the British note caught my interest as well. Next to the cornucopia [read: the HARVEST] and 20 leaves on 2 branches is the physician's staff or caduceus. A winged rod with 12 triangles spread across it, 3 circles resting atop and 2 entwined serpents. Adorning these creatures are 37 triangles each, four being shared (two on each pass in front of the rod). Seventy triangles in total.



H + A + D + E + S =
8 + 1 + 4 + 5 + 19 = 37

H + E + L + L =
8 + 5 + 12 + 12 = 37

*edit*
37, 40, 42 and 44 (22 x 2) are awfully close to 38, 39, 41 and 43. Food for thought.

Hi johnsmith. Damn! that is close (37 40 42 44) according to Wiki Newton had "occult" and Masonic connections....... There's a KEY again (going back to my Vatican "thing") !
Best of luck with this johnsmith as for me there are to many coincidences in these numbers for it NOT to be something.

Thanks.

For laymen like myself, does that mean this is a view of a circle from a 90 degree, let's say, approach?

I would love to see this diagram somewhere else. Where would we begin to find out who all contributed to the images?

I want to highlight the possible use of 30

26P 27O 28U 29N 30D 31B 32A 33N 34K
26A 27N 28D 29B 30A 31N 32K 33O 34F

the placement values of all non-inverse sets total 150
26 + 28 + 30 + 32 + 34 = 150
that of the inverse sets (ON,NO and NB,BN) total 120
27 + 29 + 31 + 33 = 120

150 - 120 = 30

P + O + U + N + D + B + A + N + K =
16 + 15 + 21 + 14 + 4 + 2 + 1 + 14 + 11 = 98
A + N + D + B + A + N + K + O + F =
1 + 14 + 4 + 2 + 1 + 14 + 11 + 15 + 6 = 68

98 - 68 = 30

And, of course, the central pivot of the intersection between orbital bands is 30.

These 18 characters are conveniently aligned so that characters 26 - 34 appear next to each other, though the bands have separate lengths and fade in four separate places. Noting that AND is extracted from ENGLAND, why are these five complete words? What is the significance of these two different sets of letters being in such symmetry as to mirror 27 and 29 to 31 and 33? Why are they both able to form -66 and are seeming to be shouting the number 30?

The Vatican has plenty to be suspected about, so it's not something I have a problem looking into if you want to start a thread on it. All I was saying was that, despite the similar looks to things, sometimes they are just similar - not all double crosses have to have the exact same origin. It is one of the issues with hcasing down symbols; without the provenance of each of them, deciding they are all from the same source is at best, a guess. Wikiwoop the Inuit in Iceland and Snarker the Lhosa in Africa are equally capable of laying a diagonal cross over a square one. Without provenance you have no way of knowing if they did it independently or whether there was contact.

In this case, as I said above, the differences from true angles for all the diagram are subtle but solidly there. And it's VERY subtle - if you just glance at the diagram it LOOKS true so I think in some way they've created an optical illusion with the errors balancing out to fool the eye.

Here's how I measured it... I use IrfanView, a free download graphics package (Get it Here)

Find an image of the pound note (I got mine Here)

Save it and then load it into Irfanview. Expand it out till the ellipse fills the screen. Click on [Edit] then [Show Paint Dialog]
&th Symbol on the right column is a set square - click on it. What it does is measure the angle & other factors from the horizontal.
Now place the cursor at the centre point of the ellipse, click and hold and drag it out along the lines. When you're satisfied you have it right on the line, let got the mouse button and it will pop up a dialog telling you the details.
I got -
CD = 41.9º
CP = 39.7º
CK = 42.2º
CG = 39.0º

SP = 23.25º
FP = 49.8º
HP = 83.3º
HI = 41.85º

IP = 34.45mm
IH = 36.47mm
HP = 38.02mm

As you can see, they are odd figures for such a diagram. And at that level of Zoom, I might be out in the 1/100ths but I'm not wrong in the 1/10ths.

I don't believe the draftsman was sloppy and I don't believe, if he was, that the figure would still look OK if the sloppiness was random. And it DOES look OK - I wouldn't have gone looking if it wasn't for the OP drawing our attention to the oddities on the orbital stuff and if I hadn't looked at the apparent equilateral triangle IPH and thought it looked a bit skew.

If they were Newton's drawings we'd be crashing satellites and probes all the time.

Thanks for the tips Acolyte...... I have IrfanView installed just never thought to try it. Don't worry i hear what you are saying about the Vatican and to be honest after further thought you are right to the naked eye maybe BUT when you get down to it it doesn't wash really . And to be honest i don't want to derail what after all is turning out to be an interesting thread.

I like you think that the draftsman making a mistake is VERY unlikely (given it was something so important i guess a "master" draftsman would have been used so i personally would expect NO mistakes).

Thanks.

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Well, whatever the meaning of such mysticism really is, I'm sure it has greater meaning than just being mere artistic jibberish. Thus having said that, it would seem evident that it indeed means something. Glad I could help.

Maybe I'll be more helpful in the actual end of days by managing to conjure super human powers from the air or something...