Let's say you live in Texas, Arizona or California and rockets start imdiscriminately falling on you sometimes dozens of times each day. The rockets are being launched from Mexico across the Rio Grande and the ground border. You, your family, your way of life is completely disrupted and you are forced to live in fear. Schools, homes, hospitals....everything seems to be a target. Many times the rockets land harmlessly; but many times they kill people....innocent people.

If you are an American, what would you expect Washington, DC to do? I ask because it seems that there is a growing chorus of people around the world condemning Israel for defending themselves. Over the past few years, the Israelis have given up land, recognized Hamas as a legitimate government, bulldozed Israeli settlements all in the name of peace. What do they get in return? Rockets fired out of Gaza by Hamas and rockets fired out of Lebanon by Hezbollah.

So I ask you if you lived in a border state being hit by daily rocket attacks from Mexico, wouldn't you not only WANT but EXPECT the US Military to STOP the rocket attacks by using force if all else failed? I am looking for comments because I am confused by all of the anti-Israeli sentiment I see in the news world-wide.

yes i would expect the us to do something;
as for israel/pali problem is never ending, one side throws a rock the other side throws a bigger rock, no one wants to say ok i just got my az kicked and i want to stop now, you see no one can get it in thier head that isreal is not going anywere, if they stop messing with them they will stop messing back and vise versa, i am sure you understand.

Absolutely. If people look back at my posts I have espoused the idea that America should be involved as little as possible in foreign entanglements. There are blood feuds: religious, cultural, ethnic which have been going o for hundreds and in some cases thousands of years. For America or anyone else to be so arrogant as to think they can intervene in such matters is the height of hubris.

I don't believe the US should either be supporting or condemning Israel, nor do I believe we should be selling arms to anyone. It's none of our business. Plain and simple. It just seems to me that the Europeans in particular love to criticize the US for supporting Israel in addition to condemning the Israelis themselves when they have failed to produce any lasting peace in the Middle East either. If the Europeans are so smart, why don't they solve the Middle East peace problems? America should just step back and watch; but I don't think anyone should be condemning the Israelis. let them, Hamas, the Iranians, Hezbollah and the rest slug it out and the last man standing wins.

The way they bring there chrildren up is horrible

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8

This is child abuse the united nations should have a child protection service and take these kids away.
give them a chance at a life that is worth living.
I want to fly over there and grab them (the adults) all by the scruff of the neck and boot them in the ass till they see reason.

If it was happening here I would expect our government to do something. The anti-Israeli feeling go back for thousands of years. I agree survivor - don't sell weapons to anyone, get all of our troops home and let them fight it out. We have been trying to broker a peace agreement since Israel was created. I think it's about time we give up but our government won't. They will never stop supporting Israel - Israel is a very strong country and we will always want them as allies.

Personally, my feeling is that until both sides agree that the other has the right to exist it will never end. I too get angered by the bashing of the US for supporting Israel. It appears that we can do nothing right. If we send any kind of aid to any country - we're wrong, if we don't help - we're wrong. The US is in a no win situation.

It will be very interesting to see how our next regime will handle this situation.

[quote="survivor727"] Over the past few years, the Israelis have given up land, recognized Hamas as a legitimate government, bulldozed Israeli settlements all in the name of peace. What do they get in return? Rockets fired out of Gaza by Hamas and rockets fired out of Lebanon by Hezbollah.

This is classic MSM propaganda to legitamize Israel actions.

No....and I mean no. Hamas started firing missiles after a Israeli raid into Gaza killed 8 Hamas militants and Israel has had a systematic blockade for the last 2 years. Technically, Israel broke the terms of the ceasefire, but it is being protrayed on MSM as otherwise. 2nd, Israel DOES NOT RECOGNIZE HAMAS as a legitimate government, they are considered a terrorist group even though the Palestinians democratically elected them. That happens to be the main reason why Hamas refuses to stop launching missiles because the UN and Israel refuse to negotiate with them. 3rd, Israel has not stopped the blockade, except temporarily for PR after being pressured by the international communities, since the last cease fire and THATS why Gaza is in a crisis for food, water, electricity, and medical supplies.

Incidentally, if you didn't know, WE (and Israel) created Hamas to oppose the PLO. See some of Ron Pauls recent videos to explain.

We have a 500 post thread over at latoc (www.doomers.us) concerning this issue. Don't get too upset, I am not defending Hamas, but they are not the EVIL boogey men, crazy ragheads, and terrorist being propogandized by pro-zionist elements of our government. People in this area have a terrible history with too much blood on their hands for peace to be easily secured.

Israel is a state that was brought into being by displacing (how ironic if you think about it) 21st century Palestinians and pushing them into a giant ghetto (Gaza). Think of Hamas as partisans bouyed and fueled by Islamic faith.

like i said, we blah blah blah, you blah blah blah , they blah blah blah like what is done is done. the only cause is cause i'm tougher than you ego crap. or They killed my sisters husband's younger cousins uncle's brothers grandpa 10 years ago rah rah rah lets get em.

GOYA........all of us?????

Israel (much like the USA) is fighting the wrong war against Hamas. This is not a military conflict. If it was, there would be no strategic, tactical or even logical reason to fire rockets randomly at civilian targets. Hamas are mass murderers who are like spoiled children with long range weapons. The only way to discipline them is to take away what they crave the most. Their publicity. Israel must shut down all news and information coming out of Gaza. Any person not with the IDF that has a camcorder, microphone, camera or webcam with internet connection must be detained and interrogated. ALL of them (both civilian and professionals, muslim jew or american). There is no freedom of speech in Gaza. All IDF ground forces must have their own camera person to show the world how young these Hamas fighters and suicide troops are.

Then, there must be a full hospital base to treat all civilians. No guns or cameras should be allowed anywhere near the hospital base. You want treatment? STFU and get it. the IDF should secure an area in Gaza and relocate all civilians from the battle zones to there. Anyone caught being a spy or a Hamas sympathizer should be removed and taken to a detainee camp for interrogation.

This is a Propaganda WAR! and the Media is aiding and abetting Terrorists.... all for the sake of getting the news... The absolute control of information is what will shut Hamas for good.

haha i've never really seen it the way slayer does but it makes sense
hamas just wants to cause terror to the rest of the world

... this would work if there wasn't any innocent people, mostly children, in the middle of the conflict.. are you suggesting the world stand back and let innocent people again mostly children die? If you were a poor innocent person caught in the middle of this conflict, wouldn't you want help?


Negative my friend! israel is only strong because they have our muscle, i.e. our weapons, our training, our equipment. the only thing israel has is money far up our "leaders'" ass. ALL THE MAJOR BANKERS ARE JEWISH..

so their human rights violations go un noticed? only dictators share this mentality.

Yes! that is exactly what they want and are doing. Hamas has military bases in every continent, they have massive amounts of money invested in governments that it pulls whenever they don't agree with them, they sponsor extremist for proxy wars, they exploit other country’s for their natural resources, they.. oh wait, it's not hamas doing that.. it the f'n U.S. al these extremists want is to be left the fk alone!

YES! yes I would.. but i wouldn’t want them to carpet bomb Mexico and all the Mexicans living in tin houses.. YOu don't kill a fly with a tank! you send in the Marines to fk shit up! ONE shot ONE KILL not 1,000+ dead with more than 50% of casualties civilians.

IMO, it's a shame the innocent isralies are having their culture tarnished by ZIONIST terrorist.

ther's a similar discussion going on here.. viewtopic.php?f=52&t=9170&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

I am presupposing that you did not see any of the video on my other post. *sigh* so sad Anyways had you did, you would see children in military uniforms being taught to hate and be ready to kill all jews. Kids as old as 9 or 10 marching in the streets with guns believing they will someday die for for the glory of islam. They even have a TV show with a Mickey mouse lookalike telling them to hate and kill all jews. These kids have parents and relatives, who probably make up the bulk of civilian casualties because Hamas hides among these brainwashed people. They are not innocent. They were deluded, and they are ready to get seriously hurt and/or killed just to blame jews. Yeah if they were innocent bystanders, YES definitely, lets help them! But innocent bystanders dont hang around areas where rockets fly away. Even a person who hasnt seen a TV will know that when rockets fly away, they tend to come back with interest.


God above! When will this Nazi shit ever go away?? Do you know you are spouting the same senseless drivel as Adolf Hitler from over 70 years ago??! Hitler was wrong then and you are most certainly wrong now. [Sarcasm]Congrats on taking your cue from the most evil man on earth.[/Sarcasm]

Really? The US did it in IRAQ in 1991 to great effect. War on the news has only been around since the Vietnam War and that is what Hamas is trying to reproduce (in a psychopathic deluded murderous way) since Vietnam is the only country that the USA has lost to. Remove their ability to be seen on YouTube and there would be less showboating. The world has prosecuted war criminals in previous wars without needing front line reporters acting as propaganda machines for terrorists.

Hamas are a bunch of low life cowards and so are the people who defend what they are doing they hide behind the chrildren then they cry there killing the chrildren the United Nations should
go in and lock them up and charge them with the murder of all the people who died in this latest conflict and any one who helps to spread the propaganda should be locked up and charged as accomplice.

While I don't think we should be taking sides in this conflict which we are clearly ill-equipped to solve, I find the reports laughable coming out of Gaza about Israel shelling UN Building, schools,etc.... What you don't hear is that Hamas, while eager to quote international law when it benefits them, does NOT respect international law when placing weapons and combatants in schools, hospitals, etc... In fact there is now a report that the Israelis hit the UN Building after Hamas used it to fire anti-tank weapons at Israeli tanks.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231950855726&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Hmmmmm......using innocent women and children as human shields and then blaming Israel for attacking? Sounds like standard operating procedure for Hamas and Hezbollah. We should mind our own business. Brem is right. One thing ALL terrorists have in common is that they are cowards. Hamas are cowards with a capital "C," and the Palestinians have only further shown their stupidity by electing a government controlled by Hamas!

I would also like to comment on those dirty jewish rapscalions. Since hamas and others like to quote international law etc about targeting schools, red cross, un buildings etc etc, they are absolutley right! It is against international law to target and destroy those buildings. HOWEVER, typical to to the people who hate the dirty zionist pig jews, like
Ham'ass and Hezblow'a'lo , or people who fail to look at all of the picture, fail to do their homework! Once a target to include a school hospital UN building or ANY (I think that is clear enough) building has been used by a combatant, then it becomes fair game under international law.

Don't beleive me look it up I got the freakin book and had to read the stupid thing and give a class on it.