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 Post subject: What year is this ?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:42 am 
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It says to state in this forum section : "Why you are interested in 2012,?
... and ask any newbie questions about it".

First (as all ways) I want to offer a big sunshine "smile" to everyone :)

Then I wanted to point out that if Christ was born in 4 BC (as most scholars agree) ...
then this year is 2016, not 2012 !

Had anyone noticed that the Maya calendar sacred numbers (according to Arguelles and others) are
20 and 13 (as opposed to western time-keeping numbers of 12 and 60)
... so why would the year 2012 be a special year ? ... rather than 2013 (broken into the two sacred numbers of 20 and 13) ?
I realize this is a very shallow and superficial method of numerology but is it still something worth asking ?

Now if 2013 were a special year, according to "Christians/Roman calendars" that would have passed 3 years ago in (Vatican Calendar time) 2009.

Well I don't want to ask too many questions being new here ... really I just wanted to give my initial big pretty smile. which I give freely to everyone, but the emotions aren't working for some reason so I have to attempt a manual guess ...
:) ...

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:49 pm 
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Why would 2012 be a special year for the Maya whose sacred numbers were 20 and 13 as opposed to western (Vatiacn) time-keeping numbers of 12 and 60 (stated by Arguelles and others) ?
If Christ was born in 4BC as most scholars claim then this year would actually be 2016 not 2012, and 2012 would have passed back in 2009 (the year the gold went missing?)

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The article reported that in October 2009 the Chinese received a shipment of gold bars in payment of debts and the government asked that special tests be performed to guarantee their purity and weight. Four small holes were drilled into the bars and the metal analysed. Officials were shocked to learn, the article claimed, that the ‘gold’ bars were fake.
http://www.wariscrime.com/2012/01/16/ne ... pacecraft/


The above article says "The moon is 2160 miles wide" which I think I remember is the number of years in a 12 house zodiac, and a sacred number in Mayan calendrix.



So what is the REAL year?
Another documentary claims that Christ came 1000 years ago at the dawn of the renisance, not 2000 years ago at the dawn of the dark ages.

How can any of these numbers mean anything to anyone if no one is sure what the actual numbers are?
I often ask how it benefits anyone's life to question things they have no control over, and more if they did have control would that make them part of the evils they critisize and hate ?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:02 pm 
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I often ask how it benefits anyone's life to question things they have no control over, and more if they did have control would that make them part of the evils they critisize and hate ?


yes the past is all conjecture, round and round people go. control must be relinquished for certain things and not for other things, double edge sword, we have control of our future, but the only future that will be, is the one which works, the operating system that survives

It is irrelevant to when a man was born, true or false, when the study of that irrelevance is distraction from the purpose of seeking a true balance and happiness within

Why waste one thought on the other, when the latter is so far more fruitful? Because we hide in our thoughts.

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 Post subject: Re: What year is this ?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:34 pm 
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High Ryan ...

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Because we hide in our thoughts.


oh shooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooT ...
is THAT how its done :?:
Man I told my thoughts and got shit on for it.

BUTT you know what the ones who hide it dont look like theyre doing so hot either ... so I see no sucsex formula here ...

If you dont wear a mask youre an ass for spoliling everyones fun
if you do, you are your own hypocritical enemy and ones who think honesty is fun will kill you by mistake while all the time trying to LOVE you.

Dont even the Gods have a date with certain DOOM ???... a few thousand extra years of life yes, perhaps,
but still doom as cetain as mortal doom :?:

Jesus ... the asshole of the Gods for telling the truth ???

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YEAR OF THE WATER DRAGON!! WOOOOO!

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 Post subject: Re: What year is this ?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:58 pm 
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:)

welcome smile

I think your questions are absolutely in place and I couldn't give an answer to
provide any certainty regarding years/dates. what do we really(really) know about
our past?!
for me the mayan tzolkin calender describes universal "waves" or "tides" that each provide
different energies and thus influence time-space-experience-possibilities.
for instance today is 13 / monkey
13 is outlook over the next mountain, taking the last success to the next effort.
last of the trecennas before it restarts
and monkey is the weaver of time, creativity.

so today is a good day to start new things, plans or retry.

to me it doesn't matter so much if the overall timeframe is correct.
I take the tides as they come :wink:

big :)

calendar taken from:
http://www.mayanmajix.com/TZOLKIN/DT/DT.html


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Many more people adjusting their frequency to a 4th dimensional measure and questioning vatican time-space , very exciting , very important imo , lsol

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 Post subject: Re: What year is this ?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:05 am 
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The 2012 date has nothing to do with the calendar or numeric system we are using. The Maya, or more likely someone before them, found a significant date in a time we see as being in 3114BC. Note they didn't call it 3114BC (& for that matter, neither did anyone else. :lol:)

Their Ages are 5125 years long - a strange number considering neither 20 nor 13 will divide into it, indicating, I think, once more that someone else came up with the system, or else there is some over-riding factor that determined the 5125 length.

3144BC + 5125 is effectively -3114 + 5125 which is 2011, but in the calendar there is no year 0 so we add a year. (the supposed year The Christ was born (or the start of the calendar if you prefer) is year 1 not year 0 and the year before is 1BC - no 0 year.

So what we have is the Maya telling us their Age comes to an end on the Winter Solstice of the year 5125 years after 3114BC. Our calendar puts that at 2012 but our calendar is a made up thing, with an artificial start, and, importantly, WAS ADJUSTED by Pope Gregory (actually by one of his Priests) after the Maya codexes and knowledge was brought back to the Vatican.

I don't believe the Church destroyed all they found; given how they behaved everywhere else, I think they took all they wanted, including people to tell them how to read the codexes and string libraries and then burned what was left. The subjugation of all things Maya after that was enough to make sure the knowledge died.

So I think Gregory found out the date the Maya had for the end of the Age and for his own reasons, adjusted things to make 21/12/2012 the date.


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I feel that Greg got the Germans working , so as to reallign vatican calendar to equal mayans perfection , lsol

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It is the year of Leviathan.

Year of the Male Black Water Dragon; more earnestly, but not a difficult leap.

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Hi Kyo , i was reading up on black water dragon and the black part was not really explained , what do you make of the Black ? , lsol

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It ties to the Yin Yang. Light and Darkness.

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Mmmm in the beginning was void/darkness/black from hence came the light/word/rang , lsol ps very thankfullll Kyo :D

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Help me out with this. The reformation of the calendar (gregorian style) took place in 1582 if the account is correct. The aztec stone calenar was discovered in 1790 (some accounts suggest 1760) and even though cortez was in this area in the 16th century, i can find no account or timeline to suggest that the gregorian calendar was aligned to/with the mayan or aztec calendars in 1582. Am i missing something?

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Hi WBPaw , yes , my take on it i can only give from memory (Aco may have site direction) , four main info stones from maya lands were taken to vatican and best maths guy at time (a german) plus a big team , went about over two years , alligning gregorian calendar , lsol

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